No Name Company New Greek Warriors Figures. our very good Andrey has sent us some photos. They are are from a company that we call No Name. We have to this as the company will not say who they are. They did in the past a nice set of Roman figures. Now they have done a set of Greek figures.
No Name Company New Greek Warriors Figures The Figures
The No Name Greek figure set contains five figures. The set had been planned with a six figures. The sixth cavity was damaged so the maker was forced to go with the five poses. The five poses from left to right are as follows:
Frist Pose Greek Warrior standing with spear and shield .
Second pose Greek Warrior advancing with sword and shield front view.
Third pose Greek Warrior standing with sword and spear with shield on his back.
Fourth pose Greek Warrior advancing sword and shiel side view
Fifth pose Greek Warrior advancing with spear and shield. spear is a separate weapon.
These figures are 60mm and are very well detailed. I feel you can use them with your Atlantic Greek Figures. Another thing I like are the different helmets the company has done. I will wait to hear from the experts whether the helmets are correct or not.
Andrey will have these figures available next week or so. He has not given a price what these figure will cost. as soon as we have a price we will pose it.
Awesome figures.
Right match as you mention Admin that they blend perfect in size and style w Atlantic.
By historical type the figures are not historically match as secuence set.Some are dressed as very late classic era more like Etruscan wile others are early.One look like typical Macedonian heavy falanx pose.
Any how very impressive and definitely will go x then.
My thoughts.
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I purchased a set of this company’s Roman figures at OTSN, and really liked them. They are a good 60mm size, well-detailed, well-sculpted, and full-body rounded. There was a mounted Roman officer, and 8 or 9 different foot poses.
These new Greeks also look pretty nice, but I’m skeptical of the two poses with winged helmets, which look more fantasy-like than Greek. In fact, it seems that with only the 5 poses, 2 0f them have now been rendered relatively useless with the unrealistic, non-historical helmets. If the makers had just stuck to the traditional, impressive, Greek helmet, we would have a total of five good new ancient Greek poses.
As I look more closely at them, maybe the two ahistorical helmets with double winged crests could simply have the double crests clipped off, with one of them them then cemented back into the center of the helmet, so it would look like the others. Maybe this would salvage them, and then I could use them in my LOD Trojan War set-ups, which now include LOD Trojans and Greeks, Atlantic Trojans and Greeks, and Conte Spartans.
P.S. — Paul, you don’t have to “wait for the experts to tell [us] whether those two double-winged helmets are correct.” I can tell you right now they are not.
When you google “Greek helmets images”, don’t be fooled by the 2 0r 3 fantasy drawings which have been thrown in.
The helmets are not winged but double crested.
There several engraved and painting vases with then depicted.
At NYC metropolitan art museum there is a huge hall full of real excaveted helmets. A lot .Most bronze.
Some of then were found with partial top as depicted in figures (no feathers of course).
According to archeologists are from late Greece period or roman greece war period.
The concer in set x me is the armor pretty much.
Scales armor are more after the early brest body shape chest armor.
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Uh oh. All of a sudden I found a picture on a Greek vase that shows one (double-crested). I stand corrected.
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This link show many original preserved helmet(there thousand around the world).In fact Greek (10 centuries history period helmets are the more abundant conserved).
Bronze do not rust ,that is what had made then more durable. Wile posterior iron roman and medieval helmets disintegrate-rust within few centuries if not preserved.
http://thefakebusters.com/greek%20bronze%20helmets/ancient%20Greek%20hoplite%20bronze%20helmets%207.htm
Note last helmet in link page # (depicted-described as “winged”) Note the two side are clearly not wings forms but what appear missing an extension of what probably was feathers parts attached that never are conserved after centuries. The fact are two sold bronze pieces indicate hard horse crest type where add in side not simple feathers.
In April probably to the MET, if there will take pics of then as well.
About real winged helmet with true bronze made wings or animal ears made as décor are plenty, just google(Greek winged helmet) it and will see some conserved samples at museum as well.
But I do not see it there in the figures.
Another thing these figures are direct extracted from metal mold figures already done,the same for knights,medieval and roman sold, you can find all in eBay from metal figures or soldiers made in Russia.
They are just copied poses made to plastic. Most in not true action but posing like statues. That is probably why maker is not using a name!!!
Regardless are great addition and easy to convert in to action poses.
Many Atlantic Trojans and Greek come original with sword down in odd poses, I bend forwards the arms easy with hot water to made then looks more action.
My thoughts.
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Erwin, Rick Berry picked up a few bags of the NO-NAME figures (Romans and Medievals) at OTSN, which he now has in his Michigan Toy Soldier Company store. But he labels them as TechNoLog. I have my doubts if that is correct. What do you think?
And incidently, through SellToy Co. you carried the Romans, but apparently sold out. Are you going to be carrying the Greeks?
Here is one EBay sample, these figures are in sale since 2014 least from tin toys from Russia.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tin-Toy-SOLDIER-54mm-GREEK-Hoplite-WARRIOR-Ancient-GREECE-1-32-Metal-Tin-Figure-/122185207181?hash=item1c72ce4d8d:g:aCMAAOSwpLNYA~Zk
And this is the web site direct.
http://tin-soldiers.org
or
http://tin-soldiers.org/54mm-miniatures/ancient-rome/?page=3
see the romans ,Greeks and knights same poses there made by (NO NAME) now in plastic
http://tin-soldiers.org/54mm-miniatures/ancient-rome/?page=3
I hope they were ornamental as they look like they would prove to be a bit cumbersome in battle.
Believe it or not, if you keep googling, you can actually find chat boards where this subject (of whether double-crested helmets were actually worn by ancient Greeks) is under discussion.
One commentator says (without offering documentation) that certainly some of the Greek generals would have worn the double crests.
Another says that if you analyze and look closely at the vases where the double crests actually appear, it is TROJANS, not Greeks, who are depicted wearing helmets with double crests. Remember, it is basically the painted Greek vases from the time period that give us our vision of what Greek Hopelites appeared like in battle.
But yes, I have to agree with Ed — those double-crested helmets look like they would be somewhat unwieldy in battle, which is probably why you don’t see them depicted with any frequency.
But still, I’m forced to retract my original assertion that double-crested helmets are a complete fantasy.
In my opinion those high cumbersome crest helmet were used by very high ranking officers,king or state mans to show then self in battle. My thoughts.
It well known and described that Roman used the cross front face crest -helmet during republic till very late in empire on low ranking front line officer. Base in description and only one source is determinate that it was used cross front face to actually see from back or front during battle formation to indicate where officer in foot rank was located and follow command easy. The fact that foot officer rank used show that was used in battle often and for many centuries.
But those depicted in above figures are definitely way too high to be combative suitable in most cases.
I think like in many early knights figures(specially metal such Britain and others) where mounted knights are depicted with high animals figures wood ornate on top helmets. They were used more in non real battles. Most those medieval helmets were extracted from tournament engraving ,tapestries and painting where the type helmet was used more as sport,ceremonial and show than else as the tournaments were in most cases simple flat terrain prepared soft ground in short space and most time require the hit and dismount of foe in action. Not fight in ground w those helmets.
Here are some blogs were the crest ornate helmets are in discussion.
Other Simalos Gregalistos(call himself-Kyros ) a good toy soldier collectors and buyer from me had posted about too. He is a historian too. However it does represent only personal reference and comments.
But I think fun reading to understand further some thoughts about helmets in ancient-classic and post late micenean/Aegean era
http://www.romanarmytalk.com/thread-20221.html
Second link is a blog/site dedicate to extract military armor data from only original ancient manuscript written base from old Greece,such as Homer
Indeed Homer made description of two and three crest helmet ornate. To what point and how the crest were placed is just suggestion and is all base in speculation and rather imagination of author as Homer himself was not living in the era of Iliads period as we know. However he made had seen helmets as such and used in his description posterior to Troy last big war.
Please copy and read as you wish.
I had copy and extract and place here first .link to follow.
This is from Book -http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Galea.html
The helmet thus adorned was very commonly surmounted by the crest (crista, λόφος, Hom. Il. XXII.316), which was often of horse-hair (ἴππουρις, ἱπποδάσεια, Hom. ll.cc.; λόφων ἔθειραι, Theocr. XXII.186; hirsuta juba, Propert. IV.11.19), and made so as to look imposing and terrible (Hom. Il. III.337; Virg. Aen. VIII.620), as well as handsome (Ib. IX.365; εὔλοφος, Heliod. Aeth. VII). The helmet often had two or even three crests (Aesch. Sep. c. Theb. 384). In the Roman army of later times the crest served not only for ornament, but also to distinguish the different centurions, each of whom wore a casque of a peculiar form and appearance (Veget. II.13).
Here is the link/blog are used to speculate only but you can read from Homer the description of helmets crest.
http://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/helmets4.htm
Hope this help a bit to understand we are looking at 10 centuries of helmet production were many varied were made and possibilities were not spare.
Any how in figures I made need cutting many of those crest if buy a lot of then to made battle formation as definitely crest were made light wood and feathers or animal hair but were high prices and cost to be done and repair after every combat of course.
My thoughts.
Best regards.
You may be right, Erwin —- even the single crested helmets may have been reserved for generals, officers, leaders, or palace guards, while the simple non-crested helmets may have been what the big majority of actual hopelite fighters actually wore. Some of the big, tall crests we see look like they would just get in the way during an actual fight.
I would not like been in a phalanx formation with that helmet at all.
I know any foe will try hit the crest (specially the hard support metal or wood part that hold feathers or else to knock off helmet ) .
And we all know that after that, the head will be easy target of spears,stones or any weapon from the first enemy in front you as shield was generally to serve/kept as front side shield wall to hold or advance wile presenting spear lower or high level toward enemy during phalanx formation in the first 3
to 6 ranks front line. And you are not suppose move or rise shield as to not brake formation wall.
Now..
If in a loose or single off formation combat it will be more easy to retain crested helmet as you move your arms with shield and entire body back and for more easy , preventing the other try to get near your helmet. So in that occasion or type combat it would be hard to knock off helmet. Some of helmets are museum show inside metal part near sheen with a type of button or else that were to hold a strap. Suggesting they often hold it tide with strap well to head to secured and not easy knock off.
But those in figures are way too high and I will accept as high ranking officer,politician or nobles depending in type of Greece era and state scenario. I like the idea of palace guard as well. Good point I did not think off.
Other than that I can use as mythological heroes or even Gods else as Don suggest too.
A bit off direct topic.
In modern film even so I do not like most modern remade of old ones I had notice that last directors and producer had taken better look at historical accuracy on way they dress and fight.
Sample the super fantastic heroic film (300 and later part) All do pure fantasy show a more accurate way Phalanx fought in field using helmets and shields and the fast hit and run tactics used during the fight and then regroup. Base more in many today available internet data recollection of archaeology made in last 2 centuries and books I can see are more realist way depicted than older films.
Of course disregard rest of movie please,such the curved (KOPIS)swords that looks great but not record found as been from that era (second Persian war)but much later and in-fact was of Persian origin and depicted been used by Persian first in Greeks vases rather than Greeks.
Yet Sparta did used but according to records and excavation much later .
Also the red capes during battles so often wrongly depicted on Romans legionaries on foot during battle too. A total non sense cumbersome piece of long fabric that was used as full blanked cover during march to cover of weather inclement more than else. The color red or purple/purpure/scarlet may been choose out of look or easy ancient color to be made.
Later Troy movie did a great work in correct 8 BC century region type helmets and most light bronze or hard leather armor used as well short spears and not phalanx formation.
That era is record for not use or typical phalanx battles and the long lines formation are more typical as well use of Chariots as Troy was in what is today Turkey that had a lot of valleys and plain very suitable for horses/chariots and influenced from Asian civilization ,more use to chariots warfare.
Yet there is a part in movie I can not understand as goes against all logic in my opinion.
When the two forces are to clash,one side(I think Greeks), launch a massive jumping first line high over the heads of first contrary line falling within immediately after lines of enemies ranks. That in may opinion is absurd. As the others ranks would have medium and short spears (from era) rise up and impale all of then. So why the stupid jump over?
So as to way they did it for spectacular or just wrong depiction I do not know.
It surprise me as most rest action is well depicted and accordingly to description from Homer,other works,vases ,illustration and excavation.
Any how these my off topic comments.
My thoughts..
Best regards.
Nice looking figures, Well detailed and nice poses. I’m not to bothered if the helmets are 100% historically accurate as long as they look good, Although I understand that some collectors want figures to look as accurate as possible.
My only slight gripe is that a lot of modern figures seem to be heading towards 65mm or more, And as ive mentioned before on Stads and im not going to collect figures that go over 60mm anymore as they dont go with my fairly big collection of 50mm to 60mm figures.
So can someone tell me are these figures a true 60mm or just under which is what I want, Or are these figures nearer to 65mm is which case I wont be buying them? I realise that many collectors dont care about size and collect both 54mm figures and 60mm+ figures but im afraid I dont.
Darren if you have the Atlantic Trojan or standing Greeks. They stand match next each other. Not counting high crest. JUST till top of helmet. EVEN bases are almost alike. Now I do not know if you measure top head down to botton base or other way.So that is best.Others wise I may do pics later tonight.
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Hi Erwin I do own just a few of the Atlantic figures, I will have to dig them out and see how tall they are as ive forgotten, I dont mind just a few tall figures as it resembles life in that some people are very tall, But as also in life there are not many people of say 6feet 6inches or more which is why i dont want many figures over 60mm or it starts to become land of the giants. Yeah if you want to send some pics that would be great, I guess seeing them compared to other makes of figures would be the best as some sellers do on ebay.
Darren.
Will do picture with Romans and others tomorrow afternoon-night I think. Will send direct .
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Nice. Like the detailed shields. I will add these to my must get list.
Thanks for the info Erwin, You certainly know your History. These are very nice looking figures. Russia is A hot-bed of all kinds of figures over the last few years. As you say these plastic Greeks were originally metal figures, And I notice that there are many really nice metal figures that could be made into plastic which would be Great as I dont collect metal and much prefer plastic, Mainly because of the weight, Just my preference.
Darren.Thank you.
I’m not an expert at all .Just like investigate and do research a lot to learn and educate myself. Many here could do same. I like to expand information as a matter of help others not to show myself…..
Still some data required deep books research and museum visit not available on simple internet google.
I agree in Russian and Ukraine been in top on new limited run production. So far these are affordable sets as well MARS modern sets from Russia are.
If scale help you and you like you can use for your fantasy scenes definitely.
I will use more for Homeric legend version and mythology most.
Still they could be incorporated in historical scenes too .
I do not like metal ,lead or else ,only plastic or resin plastic type figures.
My thoughts.
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I have a bunch of those Ahona Greeks and a load of Heralds Trojans or Greeks, along with Atlantic Cavalry and some others.
If your interested shoot me an email. Maybe we can trade.
Funny I do have same in Ahona mounted and foot plus two chariot.
Other month I sold two chariot and two dozen figures.
Incredible a single PAL mounted I put x sale went to bid four times higher than a dozen Ahona.
Is not first time. Specially w Greeks collectors bidding.
So far I’m down to my best numbers in both brands.
I only have few PAL as I do not like much because show too much those nails in arms and odd base plus more fragile plastic.I got about 60 ahona in all poses.No need more.
Herald Britain I got plenty plus all HONG KONG variation I had show here and two chariots.
Any how they are two not match scales but nice figures.
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Another use for the guys with the tall double crested helmets could be as the front rank of a phalanx-to present a more imposing view to the enemy-the rear ranks would not have to have the same type of helmets as they would be screened by the front rank.