Marx Arabs Recasts They are Back
Galway Pilot has listed two more sets of the Marx Arab recasts
If you are interested in the Arabs in gray Go to this link here
If you are interested in the Arab in purple Go to this link here
We will keep you aware of what goes on.
Here we go again.
I consider the Arab recasts in purple to be just as desirable as the set in tan.
I see the dealer here, with 6 days to go, starts the bidding at .99 (cents). I place a bid at $9.99, and see that I am already outbid. I place a $29.99 bid, and see that I am still already outbid. I place an automatic bid for $39.99, and now —- with six days to go —- find I am the current high bidder.
Apparently price is no object to the previous high bidder, and I surmise he is determined to add a nice purple set to his tan set, which, especially combined with the original silver and red-browns, will make a smashing Captain Gallant set-up.
With prices like this, I doubt the seller in Mexico is too tempted at the moment to start selling them at any reasonable “buy it now” price. Why should he? —- when he’s got just a limited number of sets and he’s got fools like me willing to engage in a bidding war.
Of course, when these few sets finally get sold out, maybe the seller will be inspired by his profits to locate the molds for them, and then people like Toy Soldier HQ, CTS, MarxMan, and Hobby Bunker can obtain a quantity discount, and these great figures will once again be available at reasonable prices.
Nice ! Now bring on the Foreign Legion figures !
Yes, I’d really like to add some of these figures to my current FFL army! (If/when they come out!)
If the FFL guys come out, I may also bid relatively stupid amounts of money. I never did do FFL as a kid, but loved the movie Beau Gest. I really like Van Damme’s Legionnaire , too.
I see the same dealer is selling 45mm fire house/fireman figures, I noticed also they are selling some these figures test shots asking for $150.00 and it looks like the dog’s leg my not have been fully formed , I’ll pass on the test shots , also they are selling two Marx recast camels for $45.99, no thanks , I’ll pass on that also ! It is nice to see new recasts and I hope there will be more surprises ! We’ll see where the prices settled down or up in the future on these ?
And you can get two original Marx camel for much less too.
I hope buyers are aware of it before buy the two copies camels .
The interesting part these(VINTAGE ) bellow are hard plastic, so again a mounted on camel pose x WOW was intended??; otherwise why hard plastic white made MARX ??.
Who knows what else Marx did test and few around!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Marx-1950s-Captain-Gallant-Nativity-Play-Set-60mm-Camels-in-White-/322128731092?hash=item4b005e5bd4:g:XikAAOSwintXS1mD
Erwin
Marx used the camels in the Nativity Set which came before the Captain Gallant set.
Did nativity set was done unpainted in hard plastic too!!?
The Marx Nativity camel was in white hard plastic unpainted
Yes and it is the same camel as the Gallant camel
THANKS!!admin,I got my nativity set painted and the not painted but in soft, later saw a copy, but not Marx in down scaled
I have plenty FFL marx original.No need x more.Too many poses in not action in a large pose set.
Arabs I got plenty but much better action poses in 7 origina poses.:-) 🙂
In the photos you will see at least two details which indicate these figures are not cast from Marx dies or molds. The underside of the bases are missing the round depressions and notice the amount and type of flash visible along the parting lines. These have probably been injection molded from home made epoxy molds, using original Marx figures as models. Reproductions made in this manner will also be a bit smaller than originals, the epoxy mold shrinking somewhat and then the soft plastic figure shrinking more upon cooling. The sloppy flash is due to the epoxy mold softening slightly from the heat transfer of the injected plastic. There is good information on the web describing the making of epoxy molds like this and how to use them in small injection molders.
Yes this is a copy not from original molds. The original was last known to be in Hong Kong and run for Warriors of the World It got very limited marketing
One of Conte’s better sets was Beau Geste, true 54mm and many good poses including the dead guys to man the battlements. Not so many standing around scratching their nuts poses like in the Marx set, the Arabs were better too. Charging a fort with a Vickers Machine gun waving a knife or sword just isn’t going to cut it. One awkward looking firing pose for the Arabs just isn’t going to cut it . In my opinion Captain Gallant was a seriously flawed set, low walls, doing nothing poses, seriously short of Arab figures, it looked pretty though. Sort of like that girl with a great body, but the IQ of a handball, fun for a while, but not a long term thing.
Scotland the Brave had great poses and terrain pieces, but the resin figures are super fragile and break it you look at them hard.
Most of Marx figure configurations are flawed. Not enough action poses in the configurations. The Arabs should have had two firing poses.
I guess the Marx figure set that aggravated me the most of the Germans. Two MG42’s neither one being fired, too many marchers and two many guys just running, did we really need a guy running with the MP40 , a machine pistol and a Panzerschreck? I think one would have been sufficient. Where they retreating, marching , attacking or defending?
No ed.the marx 54mm german were actors and extras been bored after film playing w toys.
I agree is the most stupid WW 2 set ever made in 12 poses.What a waste of poses.
And the weapons very bad done too.
But after seen.the better action poses GI’s w korean.and bietnam.war weapon I understand that the artist was a ignorant and Marx did not bother check it out.
In the other side marx japanese and marines are very good in weapons and poses.So definetely most had been by differet artist.
Another thing that bother me a bit in.many marx is uniforms to tide like if were elastic or all wet ,and lack of gear.
The big size 60/65 mm figures carry more gear and loose uniform x most.
They definitely could have had better /more poses, but I think I can say we all had a blast with them growing up and we still are enjoying them today !
If related to german else sets.No Doubt on that Mark x most you guys of course and im veey happy u all had that.
In my case I grow up w airfix.spaniard made,blue box WW2 sets and else.
When I first saw these I was surprise how bad done and more schock when find out even MPC and LIDO poses beat MARX big time in german and russian sets least.
Any how as no my case grow up w them,even after I bough a full set , I change some poses.
The marching pose is even wrong.
When they reissues short time vehicle set I resold it immediately.Because no nostalgic feeling I discarded as waste .
The marx WOW german x both war have more dynamic action poses .
Whover design the 6 russian,6 british did another bad set poses.
French except x guy with(incredible correct french sub machine) have better poses.
Then again WOW WW 1 french and WW,2 british are in great action poses.
So definitely a pease mentality and or not much war like design in many 54mm sets.
Wile more realistic in the others.
Any ways my personal feeling
Well, when I was a kid you had a choice if you wanted German troops, Marx or Lido. Lido had no firing a rifle poses, but they did have a guy firing the MG42 from the waist. Given a choice one or the other,Marx wins hands down. Although the Lido figures did fill some of the holes of the Marx Germans and they could be used together.
I think Lido are far better in.poses.e en.uniform is better.
They have one firing flametrower,other fire w bazooka,other trowing grenade,advancing w rifle,hand to.hand combat and so on.
The marx throwing grenade has a very odd pose,like uf were too heavy or he was shot.
Even officer is firing pistol.
Marx two officer,one is telling other clean boots,other is to lazy to rise pistol
I never saw the Lido Germans as a kid growing up in Indiana. I have the Lido molds for sale catalog for when they went out of business in 1964. Over 340 molds but neither the WWII Germans or WWII Japanese molds are in the catalog….. Maybe they did not own the molds….
I know that the 1958 54 mm GIs have been criticized for their weapons – the machine gun etc. This is just uninformed speculation – but were they originally intended to be WWII at all? In the original Battleground sets, weren’t the GI’s fighting each other in green and tan colors? Are they better thought of as the Marx company’s impression of 1950’s GIs? And then, not being a stickler for historical accuracy, Marx stuck them along with the Marines in the later WWII sets with the Germans discussed above.
Daniel you may be right as problaby intended x korean war or civil war .
But few weapon are even post korea.
The problem is marines and japanese sets were correct depicted .
So why so many wrong done!!!
Daniel, that’s what i always assumed. they had not intended for them to represent WW2 troops, but to be generic soldiers based on contemporary uniforms and equipment. they seem to field m-14 rifles and m-60 machine guns, which would have been 1950s cold war issue. that’s why the early Battlegrounds were green vs. tan armies, with the Germans and Japanese coming out later.
but that’s strange considering the marines are so obviously WW2 era troops.
I will think marines and japanese because the so much action poses plus correct gear and correct historical weapons were done by different artist and different production designer management.
The others are well more anti war figures and bad historical.A big change and difference.
I do not recall now time frame production,neither know detail of intention and artist invloved but so drastical difference show two mentalities in production between those sets.
Thanks God they were not done w flower in hands 🙂 🙂
Those GI’s are almost all post Korean War. If they have that M-14, or M-60 MG, both were first issued in 1957. Still, I like them. I like my Marx Germans even though the field gear is totally off. Some of the poses were kind of useless. I disagree about the Mx German small arms, though. Not too much wrong with them. A lot of the rifles are the G-43 which was rather rare, but they also have a much more correct MP-40 than Airfix German infantry had. Then the one with the MP at waist appears to have the rather odd-ball MP-41, presumed issued mostly to police units. The Panzerschreck is pretty close, more so than the Lido guy. I DO like the Lido Germans! A little cartoonish, but I like the MG man, flamethrower, actually FIRING the Panzerschreck, the guy throwing the egg grenade (German round grenade) is unique. The stabber – as unlikely as it is, that is just a cool pose! They are mixed in with my Marx and MPC Germans, too. Oh, I got to mention, just to savor it – my Lido Japs are too big to go with the Mx and MPC guys, but I have Italian copies that are scaled down to 54mm that are in there with them!
Marx was a toy company not a historically accurate miniature company. When they made their mold the artists used what was on hand as model which were mostly post WWII and probably never gave a thought that one day we would pick their accuracy apart.
The first Battleground I ever saw had dudes in four colors, two green, OD and like a forest green, one shade of tan and a mustard yellow. The kid that lived me behind me had them and he sold them to me for like a penny each. I still have them too. The Marines were in two colors , forest green and mustard yellow and the GI’s were in OD green or tan. The kid two doors away stole about 10 of them so they were lost for a few weeks, but one day while I was at his house I spotted them and took them back. He nervously stated he found them outside, which was a lame BS story, he also used nail polish as blood on some of them. Most people are very poor liars. God knows what else he stole from me over the years. If you can’t trust your good friends who can you trust? In later years I did send him to the hospital twice with sports related injuries, so I guess I got my revenge.
Lido had two Germans throwing a grenade, one throwing the standard potato masher, the other an odd American Looking grenade in a more dynamic pose. The guy bayoneting made the odd choice of placing his front foot on a rock, an unusual choice to say the least. I know they did it for balance in the sculpt so he would stand as is often done with firing poses, but peculiar in any case. He also made the strange choice of lifting the rifle over the middle of his head too, which again looks dynamic, but is impractical.
Ed impractical or not are much more action that all marx odd poses.Is a fact.
In my opinion.No pose is impractical in action as could reflect a fraction of second before step to next pose.Of course perfection was not LIDO design,but MARX would be and they not a lot time.
The Lido pose on rock foot was varied w or w out.
In one cloned version was change x a helmet in ground.
German had that other grenade as well too.
It was call fragmentation personal grenade and used as pistol parachule grenade.
Was used most by tank crew, paratrooperes and sailors as more easy to carry too.
My point is amount poses in action.real action versus none.
I know lido are flat sculpture and not accurate or perfect at all as were toy figures back then,yet manage to make x children a more action dinamic pose set to play with that Marx larger poses wasted set.
Even MPC rare sculpture german poses are more in action.
The marx firing poses are if we look well very impractical too,so the guy with rare ugly designed ligh mschine gun firing sideway.
The marx seated pose is wrong too with legs too close and head big as motorcycle driver too.The one throwing grenade repeated in big scale is a very bad choose anatomical correct pose that marx did if a person launch a grenade.
Repeated again in russian pose again.
I think Conte Foreign Legion figures are good. Also, DSG Argentina Britains unpainted recasts look like good Foreign Legion figures. I have DSG unpainted mounted and foot cowboys and both blue & gray ACW figures that I’m happy with. Got them from http://redskorpio.com.ar/index.html when I couldn’t find them here. Shipping expensive, but prices so good it balanced out with USA sellers.
Agreed I also use Aip CFL
I like the Oliver FFL poses that I got as reissues about 10 to 12 years ago. At Westcoaster Toy Show this year, I bought a few painted figures from Mark Young (sp). He told me that was how they came out originally. I hadn’t known that. of course I picked some that were in fighting poses, as I don’t need any more guys standing around. I picked up reissues, i think from Delson, so probably paid fat prices, but he was the only source for the figures that I knew about at that time.
I also got a few Charbens AWI/F&I British grenadiers painted from Mark. I was happy with the price of $2 each for all the painted figures from Mark.
I also mentioned to Mr. Young that I remembered him having an Ideal Pirate Ship for sale back at the last toy soldier show I went to about ten years before. He said that that was the last Ideal Pirate Ship he had sold and hadn’t seen any since. I had bought the recast Ideal pirates last year and would like to see the ship that was made for them, but so far it is an in person memory only. I’d love to see this come out again. Sorry Way off track from FFL!
John.
ATS is the one carrying main spaniard reissues in best price from last time were reissued.
He has the reamsa arabs as well.
Oliver were done painted from the original pech hermanos mold the adquired in the 70s.
You can still get ideal original ship x not high price out ebay.
Once a wile come listed as not Ideal.U have keep a watch of course.
Depending the base type I can Tell if are Pech Hermanos or later
Oliver painted.
While it is a popular depiction of someone bayoneting, I sincerely doubt anyone would ever try it that way, it is no less impractical than someone swing a rifle over the top of their head. Which by the way is the more practical of the two poses, I have swung a baseball bat over the top of my head on many instances, even an axe and a sledgehammer. I know an American fragmentation WWII variety is pretty heavy, I have never held a potato masher grenade, so I don’t know the best way to throw it for distance with relation to it’s weight. Although I do admit the Marx pose does seem awkward, I would think his front arm would come up to the chest level anyway if not higher.
Ed german.dtalg grenade=match potato is throw as u will do a tomahawk pretty much.
I had done at a renactment.In fact is more accurate than standard.Not what stupid movie show at all.
Is about a big heavy than american WW 2.
But cumbersome to carry of course.
Again if we go for how practical or impractical poses in TOY figures were made
I think we can eliminate 70% of figures wrong do according to the specific way a person should do it.
Back then children do not give a dam about it,but they do apreciate the figure was doing it rather that doing nothing like most marx 12 poses of the german were done.
Even MARX pose marching is impractical by standar depiction of typical field march not parade march used in WW2 by germans.
The goosestep was used in parade only.
Not in field camp regular marching.
Most figures not even have rifle bullets pouches either,they look like surrendering w out bullets figures.
Again same in many WW2 marx figures.
Wich would be a very impractical x any soldier in action.
So yes impractical detail x our actual collectors eyes are many of old childhood figures of course.
They were made to play action ,combat and battles.
Now as you said how you play action with a non agressive set of poses as Marx did?
And they did very good with marines and japaneses.!! 🙂 🙂
Very contradictory or intentional done by marx!?
Even the 30mm sets have more action poses
In most cases.
The 54mm civil war sets also have a lot non action battle poses,the piooneers too.
Robin hood set too,in WW 2 they made the silly pose running w light submachine gun in one hand up in 3 different armies and British/russian launching the grenade again in the odd pose.
Is to go x long here w out end
Again in my opinion marx german set is the wasted set of poses ever made by then.
Thinking low,even ugly bastards BMC are in more action poses.
Very disappointed I would be as child.
Thanks God I got airfix,blue box and jecsan
Others x it.As I said I was schock w first saw it and was MARX the maker.
Yes.I had bough some painted sets from then.most derivatives from britain mold they “”kept”””.:-) 🙂
I had get then from other sourses too
Been x years out .
Yes argentina shipping is expensive
Wile chilean shipping is not.Funny.
AIP FFL set is nice and cheap too.
Oliver/former pech hermanos mold recast are nice but a bit tall x the Marx is their best match I guess.
I just put up a comment about Oliver reissue. I actually like them better for detail than my original Marx FFL figures, which I just have a few. I liked the painted ones (Oliver) I acquired recently. Most of my Arabs and FFL are AIP, due to low prices, but I have some Conte FFL and Arabs, plus Timpo (non-swappable) Arabs. I guess Oliver did not make a corresponding group of Arabs and Timpo did not have the solid figure FFL made either? I am really like the Marx copies you sold and look forward to the other set I ordered from you and sets I ordered from CTS.
I wish I had the money to put up my backyard hobby shed so I can do some set ups. (For now I can only set up temporary groupings and not all of the figures. I have the AIP Ft. Morroco and two Marx tin litho building groups with most of pieces. I can have a nice battle set up in a 4×8 foot space with plenty of action!
John.
Yes Pech Hernanos did Arabs.that is were oliver FFL mold is from.
But when oliver bought molds never got those.
The mold went other way.
Timpo solid FFL had been reissue in only 4 foot poses and all around.So charben FFl reissues too.But not too nice looking poses neither figure detail.
Crescent arabs and FFl were never reissued,but arabs are not that hard to get wile FFL are a bit more costly per pose.
Erwin,
I wonder if I’ll be able to find the Pech Hermanos Arabs and what prices may be. Nice to know that Timpo FFL are around as reissues.
Thanks for additional information about these compatible figures, so I know what is out there. Part of the fun of collecting will be trying to track these figures down and deciding if they are worth the prices.
If I am not mistaken, these all would be from European manufacturers, so I’ll probably need to check foreign ebay sellers.
The Argentine Arabs/FFL are all Swoppet style?
Jon.Ok.
I order.
The PH-Pech Hermanos Arabs are only vintage original painted as never reissue by any body after early 70’s when PH stop producing.
Till today I had not see a single listed on ebay in US .
Only from Spain or Portugal and most from non eBay sites .They very costly per figures, easy same or more than original Marx Arabs priced today.$25-45 per figure aprox..
You will be able to find much easy .
Crescent,Cherilean from UK vintage FFL and Arabs in eBay at much better price, often in mix lot. But remember quality in these are as played figures, not in great or excellent condition in most.Some times dealers as Stad and few others seller in ebay sale then here in US.
No long ago I sold entire double poses of original Arabs Crescent from my collection.
but not more.
Harder are mounted poses from both companies
Yes TIMPO and Charben ,again both from UK too are done reissue from 90’s and more easy to find, I think some US dealers still carry some sets around. Check TS company, Michigan Toy soldier ,CTS and ATS.
DSG from Argentina are original Britain-UK mold being reworked and slight varied ,figures are solid not swapped, sold painted and unpainted, but some Arabs and FFL poses have as also original Britain brand had one arm swivel up or down. Specially the firing standing and kneeling foot poses.
Problem with company selling are the shipping.
I’m not positive if some US dealers carry them as off now. I know in the pass Michigan did .
You will to search that out.
In eBay the sellers selling them from Argentina are same from makers just with store-eBay set .
Best…
Erwin, I can assure you that when the Marx Battleground Europe Playset came out, with Americans, Germans, French, Russians, & English, U.S. & German tanks and other vehicles, and all those great WWII accessories, there were very few American kids that were disappointed, much less who thought the new German figures “the most wasted poses ever made”. Everyone was quite thrilled to get them. And since they had a standing firing pose, a kneeling firing pose, and a submachine gun pose, along with advancing/attacking poses, and an excellent dead casualty pose, I’m not sure what anybody’s complaint would be.
Don, yes I bet that too.
Yet…
Any how I have heard my thought too and red in forums many complain as children the poses in specific set too and they did not like after all as childs..
So yes I’m sure I had heard it many time as well.
we do not heard every body in life ,I wish I could so I can know all and every body, trust me…
I would too be disappointed as versus other Marx nothing like that happen out of 13 poses set have only 2 shooting and one advancing that actually looks like trusting down in a ballonet horrible short done, so may be he is trying to get the ballonet stock out from a low rock/tree/ body or else as he is not quite advancing at all(very alike same GI’s pose same pose done)
The guy with light sub machine gun(they try do a m40 but come all wrong of course ) is either getting shot or taking a lean back rest with it as is in side way and down awkward position to be shooting wile he is clearly looking other direction(it does not show typical way you face and point shoot a weapon towards a target at all) as Airfx,Britain,Atlantic,dulcop,jecsan,even MPC did.
That guy is not looking facing with weapon as to be shooting at all!!!Unless you twist his head and rise his weapon.
The guy throwing grenade looks like a Olympian throwing a disc/spear else.
The rest are officer with glasses ,officer telling guys clean their boots, two advancing with weapon pointing towards “ants”? in ground ,bazooka carrier too tired to fire it ,MG 42 carrying it in shoulder(depicted from “resting march” typical documentary photos),marching with BB rifle in shoulder at field camp .and of course the excellent wounded/death in ground. Then we got the seated with out rifle like a good boy and driver of motorcycle(“kid tricycle”) with big head.
So I only count 2 firing, one grenade and one (Advancing)more like trusting with pocket knife attached. out 13 .A waste of poses in 13+ .
Regardless the Marx 16 cavity mold had only three kneeling shooting poses and 3 marching plus one each of rest, meaning again a more less proportion of true action poses to make combat versus amount poses.
I BET kids were all happy to see a “medical” GI’s second set too with one getting shot ,other been carry by two, other crowling been shot and Wounded man for stretcher ,that looks more like a casualty set not (“medical set”) as I do not see any given first AID in the poses, unless the one attacking w pistol and case in back is Dr rushing to give the final shot to the wounded so he does not suffer. I mean a tragic sad set ,not even action or care x wounded either.
But yes children back were very happy with all that bog stuff been there ,not arguing it.
GI’s first set have the Machine gun and light machine gun shootind,the bazooka shooting, the true advancing 3 poses, more realistic throwing grenade, prone with weapon shooting, officer with pistol forward and waving or signaling, so out 16 poses no less 11 are good action poses. Much better choice.
Yes it was a waste sad choice of poses done in that mold of Marx Germans!!
My thoughts…
Best…
I never thought of that German with the ‘funny submachine gun’ as firing. He’s just walking with it at his waist. Seems to me like he’s holding it a little higher as he tromps through some mud. The weapon seems to me to be the MP-41, an off variant of the MP-40 where they attached a stock to it. The belief is it was issued to police units, but there is no definitive documentation as far as I know. I’ve seem quite a few of them in many museums. There’s one here at the FT Benning Museum.
The stick grenade is as you said; to be thrown with a tumbling effect. You get way more distance than with a round grenade. The round ‘egg grenade’ was just as common issue, not just for FJ or any other specialty troops. The stick grenade just had almost 3 times the charge and could be thrown 2 times the distance so it was preferred. FJ did jump with 2 of the M-36 Eigranate since they were so easily stowed in the Knochensack.
Greg in my opinion any one figure/person in picture of war footage as well holding a gun pointing towards and looking forwards, even running could shoot one or burst at any time.
The high position could be easy shooting to elevate target in wall,window,high terrain or else.
I mean if we really are that extremely accurate to how a figure should shoot we can observe plenty aiming a rifle were done with it glue to face that we all know will harm the face at any time.
Most 1930-1950’s LSMG are fire from hip/waist or lower chest position because inconsistence recoil.
About German grenade
Eihandgranate-39 Was the one that could had been given to any soldiers and was distributed since 1939.
But infantry prefer the stielhandgranate,Because small 39 is a small thin-cased “offensive”-type grenade with a high proportion of a low-grade high explosive effect
It was preferred used to more enclosed places and easy to use inside building/else. Such the given to Sailors and special forces more often as priority in production.
Production 6.5 million
The 39 could be used easy as booby trap. You may google about it and find interesting.
The stielhandgranate three main variants could be used with Or WITH OUT stick at any time and often as mine by expert infantry man using a simple piece of wire.
The main variants 24 and 39 stielhandgranate
Are with a much powerful blast explosive effect and could be throw farther and more accurate.
Production 62 million plus
Lido figure appear to have more a Splittermantel Eihandgranate type !?, limited done but used too.
A version done with glass casing was used too towards end of the war.
The m41 was given most to early polizei SS units,concentration/prisioners camp guards(often depicted wrong with M38/40) So much needed in the front.
The m41 was supplied in limited number to Hungarian and Rumania forces by 1942 and few pictures of AK show then with near armored track vehicles
MPC figure appear to have that done or possible a MP 28/1 which was the WWI M18 with straight magazine.
For more grenade info please see following.
http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/europe/germany/eihandgranate39.html
Erwin, I’m all over this stuff. I collected for many years, I just didn’t want to type all of that. Most collectors don’t want to go into it that far. I’ve fired most of the SMGs and the recoil is nothing. It’s like firing a water gun. They were fired from the hip a lot out of bad technique and incomplete training, really. The belief that you could spray and get hits is false. You’d have to get lucky. 3 to 6 round bursts, aimed fire, is how you do it. The MPC man with the SMG has what sort of looks like an MP-28, but not that much. Notice the end of the barrel is not sleeved. I don’t let this bother me. So, about the German with the MP-41 – he does not have to be firing, so the position is not ridiculous to me. I also think if he were firing, deliberately aiming or not, he’d be looking in the direction of the threat.
I literally had palpatations when I found 100 count bags of Germans for $1 at the 5 & 10 in 1963. I bought a 2nd bag for my then…. best friend and stuck it in his mailbox as he was nor home. I love the set, you could make fighting or marching groups.
I never saw Marx bagged figures growing up. Where I grew up (NJ), it was all MPC and sometimes Lido. Marx was for playsets out of Sears, JC Penny’s or Montgomery Wards catalogs.
I agree, Greg. All we had growing up in Iowa were the MPC and Lido and Timmee bagged sets. Marx were in playsets only or as singles such as the 6 inch figures or their wonderful painted animals.
I was pretty excited when I got the German, Japanese and Russian MPC combo bag. Japanese were automatically set u in a Banzai charge!
When I was 6 years old and saw the Marx Germans for the first time, I thought they were THE COOLEST figures in toydom. I knew nothing at the time about uniforms, weapons, or German training protocol, I was only 6 years old. A “dead” German was really on the edge. Whatever may have been lacking in poses, I never once pouted over or even thought about – my imagination was way too busy to be “wishing that the sculptors would’ve been more this or that.”
Well, on that subject the fighting Marines weren’t fighting at all with the possible exception of the flame thrower guy who is more like advancing rather than firing and the guy tossing a grenade underhanded, presumably in a pill box , maybe the guy with the M1 across his waist. Other than that they are running or hunkering down. Good sculpting, accurate weapons, but crappy poses as a kid those guys would get mowed down almost immediately. Very disappointing to me.
Ed,
I do not know ,but as far a soldier is advancing, throwing grenade ,knelling with rifle forward, charging with flame thrower ,in the ground-least with rifle and facing forward, officer charging, advancing in action with rifle in hand with one leg rising or else they look like in a fight and true action pose.
In my opinion action/fighting are front line figures either shooting or doing something towards target /enemy facing weapon forward least
Now is true is not quiet a typical action-shooting as per said GI’s first set post WW 2 weapons done with more shooting poses.
I think the marines poses was a depiction of beach landing of pacific well done as they just come out Amtrak or landing craft with one least still with typical nave best(most possible a crew from landing vehicle),even the one prone looks like those in photo waiting in beach x orders to advance, same as kneeling looking .
The officer is charging and waving, so other two charging too.
So are very active front facing action dynamic poses.
So they are in more action battle poses as the resting most poses of Germans as you said look like in running out battle in retreat else…
Japanese were ALMOST not shooting except for one with rifle and beautiful done with LMG but rest were charging, throwing grenade trusting and on ,still more dynamic action/fighting poses than Germans.
MPC Japanese have more firing poses(3/4) least out 8 poses set plus one two advancing and one throwing grenade and even the one officer is charging .
MPC Germans have 8 figures, only one prone firing, other with weapon either shooting or advancing, one trusting and one throwing grenade,4 out 8 in action least.
In both sets MPC used more the limited number poses set to give a more balance set of action fighting poses versus Marx
MPC Russian 8 poses have in action but only two firing, but least rest look more facing weapon in action than Marx 6 poses where only one is firing, other falling wounded or dancing, clubbing, throwing grenade again in the same odd pose and the silly advancing wasted pose with LSMG in on hand repeated in French(why they did not put the guy with machine gun in two hand advancing! So could be used in more action either shooting or charging!?.
“Navy vest”-sorry…
Well ,to me at action is running, loading, advancing, fighting is firing a weapon or throwing a grenade or something of that nature. The later add ons, had the guy with the knife and the guy swinging rifle, plus the wounded etc. Marines are noted for their prowess with a rifle and to not have at least one firing the rifle is a shortcoming. I agree they have action poses, but not fighting at least by my definition. I think we could have done with less advancing poses and more shooting poses.
Maybe…
Ed I disagree in action(in action pose) at war you can be both of you separated or either, shooting and loading ,advancing or charging forwars,clubbing hand to hand and grenade throwers are all a pose in action during a fight or in fighting poses during and aciton
I think both intermix which each other.
About specific shooting, yes I agree neither marines or Japanese are with plenty shooting in marx
The marines have one loading with rifle up and two charging ,the one throwing grenade is advancing wile throwing grenade low and very well observed as you said possible a bunker, both action in one (again actions)=gesture that give you a movement during an activity or action take place .
Fighting,well during a fight in modern war you move and advance more that actually shoot(is the lest you do as you HAVE to move and constant do so plus run and advance to take position first before shoot well most time,to aim well you have to move to do so and cover/move again during a fight or change position.(So all movement wile having weapon presented in action facing forward position are part of action fight pose)If I use a knife to stab I have to charge it back to get strength to do it, so is that not a action fighting pose??
Sorry buy we can go x decades in there
=(Marines are know c prowess with a rifle)= I agree so they others army different forces too as well, even Indians too.
So again I agree Marx marines lack of firing poses was not good, yet good true action front line poses as Japaneses poses, many with machetes I think but least charging and fighting in (“action poses”) x a fight!!!,not for a party!!
And all because the dam Germans were depicted in too resting amount poses but few, I look in to one light advancing with pistol down shooting bugs and not only he is not even in haste but looking face down!?-What in heck is that .
So if we go detail every figure x detail as they were toy made first we will kill all them all one by one!!!
I think in marines they depicted the first minutes of landing a which very few marines barrely shoot by the way as all running to cover /take x position and start position x attacking or shooting at target.
In reality..
In the first wave of marines landing most are train to land and take cover, then asset target to shoot as often few others ahead are in the beach too and could create own casualties.
A paratrooper once land do not start shooting all around at moment as will kill his own easy.
Again this is base in true military depiction.
And I think the marines represent that specific moment ,coming just out landing vehicles as Sand of Iwo jima film show first.Not saying was done x it, but I’m sure the artist contemplate photos from it a lot.
And as action toy figures x kids As I said and agree with you they miss least two real shooting pose in set x the game in real toy playset. Least they were not marching, relaxing or just walking with weapons in shoulders or pointing down towards sea Shells.
Any how all this come from Marx FFL not action poses I mention early…
Let see …Out 9 poses
One marching, one standing saluting, one with rifle at easy, “two officer” one pointing left wile looking forward,other pointing the revolver to his right to “avoid hit target” I guess!?-(Why not put him shooting it forward!?)
,advancing is almost like giving a hug(who in battle run with rifle in one had and other hand open as to give a shake, too relax.(he looks like running to embrace a friend)-why not make him charging more aggressive with ballonet or else?
Prone shooting-good
one standing shooting-the best
On horse with again saber all the way up, typical toy soldier rider figure pose, but good so far.
So out 9 ,only 3 in real action poses.
Arabs out of odd 7 poses not typical Marx mold ,only one kneeling or seating is not in action, rest are all in more realistic action poses. Least advancing is not giving a hug. Beside many could be bend to move arms lower else with simple heat process.
Wile in FFL you can not do any except probably with officer with revolver.
Unless you cut a lot and bring new parts from others figures…
All I can say is a guy running with a rifle in one hand is clearly not in a fighting pose, he is not engaging the enemy, he may at a later time when he arrives wherever he is running to, but while he is running with his rifle not in a firing, clubbing or bayoneting action he is not fighting.He is running and in his present position you can not depict him in any toy soldier scenario as fighting. Therefore, I would depict his pose as an action pose and not a fighting pose, I rest my case.
So if someone run toward you to attack you he is not in a fight till atcually touch you,he is just taking action toward you.
In the alamo those advancing to reload were not fighting?
The officer charging with a saber in one hand is not fighting but taken just action only
In a fight!!?
🙂 🙂 🙂
Ok.no problem.:-) 🙂
Best …
By the definition of the word , no.
Someone can run up to me, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are going to hit me or attack me. You can lead a battle and not fight in it.
If they are re-loading they are an active participant in the battle meaning they have shot already, but technically they are not fighting until they shoot again. That’s a fine line with re-loading, I may give you that one. However, if they are a toy soldier the act of re-loading is not a fighting pose.
ok wherever Ed, not point me here following it…
Good x you with that definition of the world fight action poses ..
I made my point clear ..
Hope not see any running figure pose with one weapon in one hand in any diorama of a battle from you any time…
Hope/wish you have time when see some one charging at you with a knife to ask if is attacking x a fight or giving you a knife hug !!
off the line now…I got a lot off already
best regards..
Hi Paul
Just thought I’d send an update. After two rejected runs on our North Korean figure set we finally have a go! They are being run as I write this, we hope to have them by September ( maybe even late August).
On another note I was able to acquire a limited number of the Marx Arabs , camels and scimitars as well as some POP-Top monsters and Marx firemen. Hope to have them for sale in a few weeks.
Have a nice Summer
Jim Mc Gough
CTS, Inc.
Hi Jim
Glad to hear that the North Koreans are finally on the way as people have been waiting. Great on the Arabs let us know when you get them.
Jim, are you selling the Marx recast Arabs through CTS or on ebay through your own personal internet site? Are you putting them on a “bidding” basis, or a “buy it now” basis?
Don ,looks like you do not have to bid any more. I told you before some how along line more will come…
Mark CTS site & check frequently, Don. Guessing these may go pretty quick.
I’m wonder what would happen to the bids now.
Now I know what happen to his bids, not body else will x long.
will love to hear from last time winner on his observation on quality of figures and plastic used.
I’ve had a knife pulled on me twice, I know their intentions. A guy running with a knife is a fighting pose unless he’s in a hurry to peel potatos. A guy running or standing with a rifle in a clubbing stance is a fighting pose. A guy running with a rifle in one hand is no more of a fighting pose than a guy marching to a battle or standing at attention , likewise a guy looking through binnoculars or talking on the radio. All of those guys may fit in a battle scene, but they are not in the act of fighting. End of story tat’s all I have to say on the matter.
Not problem ed,
I thought you mention end last night. I did and clear my point out. Good luck!!
I won’t need said not more..
best regards…
Putting that to rest, but an off shoot of that conversation; did you ever notice that the MPC and Marx Germans and Japanese have almost no ‘cross-over duplicate’ poses? Almost like it was planned. No shooting poses for the Mx Japs, except the MG man and he’s standing. MPC has the kneeling and standing shooting and the MG man is the standard prone firing. The Marx Japs have a radio man, none for MPC. NO officer for the Marx Japs, just a guy with a machete (not a Katana). MPC has him. The walking and 2 advancing poses don’t much look like any of the Marx ones and are different enough to be just fine. Marx has a decent ‘close combat’ guy stabbing down.
Seems like it’s the exact opposite with the Germans. This time Marx has the standing and kneeling firing poses, MPC has the radio man, MPC has the Close Quarters Combat guy. Yeah, both have officers, but the MPC guy has a Field Marshall’s baton. Marx gets the guy with a hand held anti-tank weapon. Machine gunners are just like with the Japs – Mx guy standing, MPC guy prone. Then you have an MPC guy who is a rip-off of the Marx 6 inch figures pose, 2 guys in M-43 (possibly M-41 DAK) hats and another one that seems to be singing and dancing holding his rifle in one hand. I always use these guys together, as I did when I was a kid, and have even selected them out to color match pretty well. Sorry….got a little nostalgic about my toys.
Interesting observation
Greg.
Sorry I got confused in your interesting detailed observation and got lost.
But good observation…
One thing ,I consider the Marx Japanese with rifle at upper chest in fire and advancing position same time, specially considering he has hand/fingers in trigger area or in!!And I will suggest same in all advancing poses with rifles that have hands and fingers in trigger.(I mean you position hand/fingers in trigger to fire during advancing or else) With bolt action at close range(10-25m) could easy hit target in main body part.
Interesting enough the odd 3″ scale size Japanese have another advancing with ballonet pose.
I lie and agree that MARX over use the machete(used by Japanese) but way too much repeated in the 54 mm,3″ and 6″ poses sets.
I’m wondering if was a wrong depiction or intentional done as KATANA being consider a (“horrible execution”) weapon by military propaganda spread.
I like the jumping dynamism of Japanese Marx poses. I consider MPC equal in action poses or better.Only odd thing in MPC in my opinion is the prone pose in Russian,Germans and Japanese are 62 mm scale wile foot poses are 54/57 mm.
But I guess it always a giant in every unit!!!
Again all from point view as “”toy”” soldiers figurines not as we see most today from more adult eye historical and accurate way
I was talking about the German with the MP-41 not firing. As to the Japanese or any soldier advancing with rifle at waist; sure they could be ready to fire in a close quarters battle situation. Finger on or off the trigger? I’m not looking that close and I doubt most sculptors know the ‘rule’ for that (trigger out of the guard until ready to fire) so the figures intentions are left ‘flexible’ which is good. I like that.
They did do a bad job with scale on the MPC prone MG men. I guess if you have to have a big guy in the squad, you’d give him the MG, anyhow.
Yes.only the Germans MPC.
YES I mention before every army set prone pose was the giant of squads.
Is not big issue x me as prone pose could pass easy.
Yes.Sort off ….
I always wondered why Marx did a surrendering Japanese figure which they didn’t do that much but didn’t do a surrendering German figure when they would surrender more easily especially to UK/US forces,also no dead Japanese figure but a German one when usually they were piles more of dead Japanese after a battle,and when these sets came out most kids were familiar with photos of scenes such as all the dead Japanese on the beach on Guadalcanal etc.
Because in late 50 and early 60 the were 100 movies of Germans versus any compare to one of Japanese war movies,very few done.
All do is true all u said.
Peaceful mentality was in the side,also merchant aproach to Japan.
I always figured the Marx Japanese made a great “Banzai!” attack while the MPC and Airfix guys were good for fighting. The MPC Japanese were the only set I recall that had poses of troops firing rifles as I recall – the others had prone MGs.
I felt the MPC and Marx Japanese were the most compatible of all of them as the MPC Germans were somewhat larger but blended in well enough for my uses.
Wait.
I have the MPC germans in two scales
Same as russian and japanese and then the taller verssion.Both have MPC bottom stamp.So who did them.!?
I agree in poses Marx are very hand to hand poses as from a banzai .
MPC have two shooting poses.one standing,one kneeling plus prone,the two advancing have finger inside trigger rifle arch,so could be thrusting and or shooting as well Marx 54mm same pose but with out ballonet.
Marx 65/70mm scale 6 poses set have one standing shooting and one really well done trusting balloonet.But only match x ideal or aurburn big GIs,maybe tim mee.
The particular set was extracted from 6″ poses they did same in germans,us and russian.Poses and detail are much better than 54mm.
Now in Marx 54 german and japanese the uniforms and lack of gear are a negative.
MPC have better uniform and gear with bullets cases,scabar,water cantin in most and uniform more historical detailed.
MPC in TWO scales? Send pics! I have Italian copies of the Mx 6” Japanese poses that are about 75 mm. I got them with my Lido Japs.
Yes.only the Germans MPC.
Greg, read all my post below, they went all mix ,sorry.
I will dig them out and post in few days..
I think Classic recast is selling the smaller version now as I got from Mexico the smaller version(green) in late 2003/04!?-same exact as Russian and Japanese. I got the old reissue before in light caramel color soft plastic in 60mm too.
I had downsized Marx Japanese in the 3″ size, I had 5 of the 6 poses, but they’ve been lost for the last 10 or 12 years, not sure where they are. Got them on E-Bay and almost immediately misplaced them.
Should have Marx 6″ Japs downsized to 3″.
What color were / are yours, Ed?
Tan like, same color as 54mm Japs. They were soft plastic too.
ed at your hard type plastic or about same Marx soft plastic original figures!?
Ok cane and nardi both sold the japanese and americans in 3″ but these are from a different same cloned mold base in Italy
The germans and russian 3″ molds are in Mexico and still run together with same mold poses of japanese and us infantry.
Poses base in 6″.
Classic recast sale and distribute then.
here is a sample of Cane Italian mold poses.
same poses sold now from Mexico in the 3″ =70/75 mm Japanese
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLDATINI-small-soldiers-CANe-con-DIORAMA-GIAPPONESI-JAPANESE-Simonetti-/121952698530?hash=item1c64f280a2:g:I7oAAOSwbwlXC5bo
Now the CANE US infantry set of same scale is not same as one sold from Mexico MARX poses-they are different in poses..
here are the CANE. poses.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLDATINI-small-soldiers-CANe-con-DIORAMA-MARINES-AMERICANI-AMERICAN-Simonetti-/111966273115?hash=item1a11b5be5b:g:WCMAAOSwbwlXC5kH
here is the US INFANTRY MARX set sold from Mexico mold-see the poses difference x yourself.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301955483612?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
And yet another “”3er set””! of 3″ or 75mm GI’s or marines sold too under CTS but as(“Weston”) factory like if are 54 mm and are not at all as have them x years and are bigger is this…
Please also note this set has only one pose same as CANE GI’s version set ,others are different from above two sets.
And under same odd WESTON brand ;CTS sale the Japanese only 3″ sets and Germans plus Russian all in 3″ scale sets from original Marx mold but in the old reissue version not as silver as Classic recast now.
http://www.classictoysoldiers.com/cgi-bin/ctsc6/rtl/phd.cgi?Autoincrement=001911&tag_rf=54mm Toy Soldiers+WWII Figures (54mm) Manufacturers 54mm+WESTON
I’m pretty sure the Japanese I got are Cane. Unfortunately, they were cast in a flat yellow instead of tan. I painted them.
The Cane GIs look decent! I might get them, especially since they are in 6” poses scaled down. The nostalgia value would be priceless.
Greg.Wait.I may find a different better seller x those cane.See the other US different sets from CTS and classic recast too.There total 3 different US 3″ sets.
Cane sold japanese in two colors.
BARABELLI in three different colors.
Barabelli got mold from cane.
Thanks! I’ll stand by for a better source for the Cane GIs.
Erwin –
The CTS guys are about 52mm. Good color, so-so detail. I have a set of 12, might be 2 sets. I like them, overall. They were HK molds that Steve Weston got a hold of (as I’ve been told). For some reason he did the Russians in darker grey, Germans in light grey and Japs in MPC yellow. The GIs were in the only good color. I’ve painted all the rest.
Aren’t those the same german poses from used in the CTS 12 poses set?
You got me there and you were right I went to check the GI’s and were only two sets(cane and marx-mexico),the third is not in my collection, neither I have the 52 mm Russian but I do have the 3″ Russian .
But I do have a HK rare set of 54 Marx marines done in 3″ high(4 poses only)that was what brought me to confuse as third set
So are these Germans/Russian and japanese under CTS Weston 52 mm too!?
are they market HK!? or else
CTS did 4 of the 6 inch poses in 54mm. The pantograph copies are way better than the copies Weston had. They are useable, though. The Japs and Russians are also about 52mm. I’d like to see the 3” Russians you have. I didn’t even know they existed.
Greg give me to next week to get then dig out with others x pictures
My 3 inch Japs were soft plastic just like the 54mms. Not stiff or brittle at all.
Great ed.those sound like original .Mine are from cane,not brittle but not as soft as Marx
The Marx Japanese three inch were the same color as the six inch
I wonder what was MARX idea in this odd scale because they did quite a short line but varied,indians,cowboys,knights,WW2 and I think something else in the 3+”,they are about 75 mm over ideal GI’s scale ,very hard to match around. Even European Comansi and Jecsan stay short with them, only same copies CANE and some odd HK match with them.
As far I recall the 45-50 mm,54-60 and 60 to 70 mm were main every body line toy soldiers range scales by most companies around the world in not HO-small hobby.
This over 75mm went off every body as well tall Stuart and Pecos did.
When they(MARX-3″) start and stop!?
Any body know details of this please!?
Marx has always been all over the place with their scales, seems they did 60mm first, then 45mm, then 54mm, then they did 3 inch 4 inch and 6 inch figures, what happened to 5? I’m not sure of the exact order, but I think 60mm may have been first. My alamo as a kid was bizarre it had 54mm Mexicans and 45mm defenders.
Just saw something on E-Bay that amused me, there was an acution for a 60mm dwarf, how does one determine that a dwarf is 60mm since he is obviously shorter than other 60mm figures and another figure was not present? Maybe I’m losing it, but that struck as me as funny.
ED, send me the link if can please I will ask the buyer.
Have you ever seen sellers that explain “tiny small army figures” on Marx 60 mm!!??.Looks like they are very big person..
Hey Erwin. Just received Playmobil (5246) Western Mine & Sheriff’s Office. Assembled Mine which was a bit of a task, but great fun. Taking a lunch break before I tackle Sheriff’s Office with break away wall for escapes!! The pieces are amazing!! Thanks for input on scale suitability. Will be arranging Atlantic Gold Mine set & prized old Marx Miners & Trappers in mine display in curio cabinet later on. Forgot where that link was where we discussed Playmobil, but you’ll see this here.
As you know, the figures are useless, but buildings & accessories are just great.
Glad to hear you like the Playmobil they have made many interesting items I wish I had the room.
Yes Paul, this Western Gold Mine is really great & also bought a Playmobil McLaren’s Gold Mine that’s on it’s way via FedEx (FedEx cost more & a LOT slower than USPS). Never had a good place to keep Atlantic Gold Rush or Marx miners, so this is perfect. Really nice toy.
I’m happy u got then so quick and like it Andy.
Hope enjoy some pics show one day
Wouldn’t it just be possible to measure him that how I determine the size of something 🙂
If you recognise the coin in the last pic that would also be a clue.
Dwarf
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1953-MARX-DISNEY-TELEVISION-PLAYHOUSE-SNOW-WHITE-DOC-DWARF-60MM-/282050269306?hash=item41ab81907a:g:sJoAAOSwuTxV9ihR
That is hilarious.!!!! 🙂
I will contact the seller later….
Any how next to our scales he would not be ..
The seller probably knew the figure was 60mm because it came in a set in which other normal-sized characters (like Snow White, the Wicked Queen, and the Handsome Prince) were all deemed to be 60mm.
That make sense.
When I have any of the dwarfs from Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs I listed them as 60mm due the other figures being 60mm in the series. I do this also to distinguish them from the Disneykins.
Yeah I understand all that, I found it funny because 60mm usually refers to how tall a figure is, a dwarf in a 60mm set won’t be 60mm tall. So, selling a single dwarf and calling him 60mm seemed absurd.
Well he/she has a DOG listed as 60 mm too and every other non 60 mm listed as 60 mm,so maybe that is the only scale measure he/she knows
Here is the dog 60 mm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1953-MARX-CARTOON-FIGURE-BLONDIE-DAISY-THE-DOG-60MM-CREAM-PLASTIC-/271999950660?hash=item3f5475df44:g:t-EAAOSwQTVV9mAn
Once again the seller is appropriate using the 60mm as she is part of the 60mm Blondie group
Like I will keep saying the use of 60mm is fine to us with this figure as it alerts the potential buyer that this figure will go with the 60mm Snow White. You do not put a height then you get questions
I agree and disagree partially
In my opinion partially could had list as such, but also be more specific as for size of listed figure. Not all collectors/buyers know all details of every set/figure/toy.Clear specification of figures in particular sale should be a plus to sale and buyers to avoid question and be more clear.
Generally will avoid future post purchase issues.
My though base in sales /purchase.
With 24 hours to go on bidding on the purple set, my $39.00 bid has been surpassed, and ebay notifies me I have been “OUTBID”. I was initially willing to go somewhat higher, but with rumors swirling around of more than one dealer getting ready to import these figures from Mexico in at least limited numbers, I think I will wait and see what kind of retail prices these go for once they are available in greater quantities.
Interesting the highest last second listing of two set went x $50.00 max approx..
He had listed two more and people bidding now.
Wonder how low will the Arabs go this time as from so high first time went to almost half in second bid end sale price!?
More interesting is seller has not receive any feedback in reference to first sets sold and only one positive and other negative of post sales he did after first sets sold.
Looks whoever got first set if from US is not reading or able to see our comments so give us the opinion on quality and plastic type.(the main thought-least from me )
My thoughts..
Best