Unknown Cowboys and Soldier

22 Responses to Unknown Cowboys and Soldier

1. Mark says:

   June 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM

   Cowboys might be Andy Guard ?

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2. Mark says:

   June 23, 2014 at 6:46 AM

   Andy Gard I think is correct spelling ,my bad.

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3. Ed Borris says:

   June 23, 2014 at 7:32 AM

   The horse resembles Andy Gard, but the saddle is a lot better than the usual Andy Gard version. The one cowboy matches the Andy Gard color scheme, but I have never seen these two figures before, that’s not to say they aren’t Andy Gard.

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   • admin says:

     June 23, 2014 at 12:52 PM

     Ed B
     I look at Kent Sprecher’s site and he had neither figure listed under Andy Gard

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4. Ed Connell says:

   June 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM

   The horse is Andy Gard I believe, the saddle could be Lido. The Bull is T. Cohn/Superior.
   The Bull is a hunch only, because of the cool Brand on his right flank. I am not sure of either cowboy figure though.

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5. Ed Connell says:

   June 23, 2014 at 3:55 PM

   I also agree with Ed B. the cowboys do look like Andy Gard, but if they are 90mm, they were upsized. I have a couple Andy Gard cowboys, they have good detail, and are nice figures, I also bought them from Kent a long time ago. I am still looking for the indians, I think they are 60-70 mm if my memory serves me right. Also one of Kent’s cowboys can’t be seen on his site, at least by me, its too dark. I also don’t own all the cowboys, nor ever even knew about Andy Gard until I ran into them on Kent’s site.

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6. Brian Johnson says:

   June 23, 2014 at 5:46 PM

   I’m not seeing a picture of a Soldier,just cowboy on horse and cowboy on bull then a picture of cowboy on bull.

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   • admin says:

     June 23, 2014 at 7:59 PM

     Brian
     Soldier picture is now with the cowboys sorry for delay

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     • Brian Johnson says:

       June 24, 2014 at 2:14 PM

       Well I don’t know the makers Company but he looks like he was cloned from a pose that you find in the bagged sets of the MPC GI’s that a lot of people(Ebay sellers) confuse with WW2 Japanese.

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7. Mark says:

   June 23, 2014 at 5:51 PM

   Looks like might be a T Cohn brand on the bull Ed mentioned ,would make sense .
   The cowboy on the bull and bull colors seem to match just don’t remember T Cohn figures being sculpted as good ?

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8. Mark says:

   June 23, 2014 at 8:15 PM

   Communist Chinese soldier ? That is my best guess !

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9. Ed Connell says:

   June 23, 2014 at 10:36 PM

   I checked Kent’s site, the cowboys are 4 inch ideal ones, that horse is also identical to the Andy Gard horse, it is even the same saddle, lol. I checked under Bergen/Beton, Payton, Stuart, etc….Their closest bull match I could come up with is Auburn, but it is not on Kent’s site under Auburn, nor T. Cohn. Maybe Lido did the bull for Cohn, I don’t know. I have never seen that bull before, and it is nice, its a great pose, and its all plastic (its not hollow cast).

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   • admin says:

     June 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM

     Ed C
     Good job, I can not remember ever seeing the mounted poses. I have seen the cowboy with lariat once, but it was damaged. Very possible the steer is Ideal as well. Problem is it is getting harder and harder to find bag figures from the 50’s and 60’s. Second we have to depend on what is found at flea markets and toy shows Some items seem to only show up in certain areas. That’s what makes the hobby fun.

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10. Mark says:

    June 24, 2014 at 5:48 AM

    Nice job Ed !

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11. Ed Borris says:

    June 24, 2014 at 7:18 AM

    If you are looking fot the Any Gard cowboys and Indians I have a bunch and some horses, I’ll have them at OTSN or if you want them sooner message me. I believe I have a complete set of the Indians and cowboys.

    I think the Andy Gard cowboys and Indians have some great poses and excellent detail, the colors are a little too bright especially for the horses, too bad they didn’t have more poses. If I remember correctly three foot and two riding poses for each.

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12. Ed Borris says:

    June 24, 2014 at 2:45 PM

    The soldier looks a lot like the MPC 45mm GI advancing. Of course this one looks like he’s wearing a construction helmet, the weapon leaves a bit to be desired too.

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13. Ed Connell says:

    June 24, 2014 at 3:15 PM

    I definitely want a complete set of them Ed, plus all the foot indians you can spare. I have been looking for them for over 10 years on ebay. Paul can give you my email address, just let me know how many you have, and the price for each one, with your address and phone number. I won’t be going to OTSN.

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14. Ed Borris says:

    June 24, 2014 at 7:38 PM

    Ed C,

    I sent you an e-mail hopefully it went through.

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15. kent Sprecher says:

    June 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM

    I think all of the western figures including the steer are Ideal. The soldiers looks like a MPC knockoff

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    • admin says:

      June 29, 2014 at 12:00 AM

      Kent
      I felt it was Ideal from being with the other figures, but you never know when items are outside the packaging.

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16. kent sprecher says:

    June 28, 2014 at 11:19 PM

    You need to keep in mind that the toy companies used the same sculptors and mold makers. When making the Andy Gard cowboys and Indians in I think 1965 the mold maker probably just used the same master horse sculpt from when they made the Ideal 4 inch set. Marx eventually had their own mold department as did Processed Plastic (Tim-mee) but most toy makers out sourced their work and if you were in the Eastern USA you probably had an office at the 200 5th Avenue “TOY” building in NYC (Marx had two floors). If you were a sculptor or mold maker all you had to do was go down the hall and knock on doors to sell your services. A lot of what we think are copies are simply the toy companies using the same mold makers who redid master sculpts to cut corners.

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17. Josh Petrie says:

    August 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

    All of the western figures are by Ideal. They came with the Ideal Rodeo Transport and Steers set that they made in the early 1960’s. This set incorporated the molds for the jeep, for the trailer, and for Trigger and his saddle that came with the earlier Roy Rogers Nellybelle and Horse Trailer set. Both are much taller than the Andy Gard offerings and completely different in their sculpting. (The horse isn’t even facing in the same direction, and the mane, reins, leg positioning, and tail are all disparate from one another. The two saddles are just as different.) The sculpting for all of these pieces was done by the Ferriot Brothers firm of Chicago, as were the sculptings for all of the Andy Gard offerings.

    If you look closely at the odd positioning of the white cowboy’s right hand you will discover that he was designed to do triple duty, both as a mounted pose and as a fence sitter. He looks great when perched on the big plank fence, with both his right hand and pronounced western boot heels holding him firmly on the planks. And lastly, he might have even made a good driver for the jeep, but I’d have to pull mine out to verify that. I just usually use Pat Brady and Roy in the Jeep when I set it up for display.

    Andreas is missing only the walking cowboy with lasso (tough to find with an unbroken lariat), the calf (tougher) and the large yellow fence sections (almost always broken at their connectors when you find them) to have all of the smaller plastic pieces for the set that I know of.

    And to address Kent’s comments about Marx and Tim-Mee having their own mold-making departments, I’m not so sure about that. They might have had their own sculptors on staff in their Art Department’s (for Marx only in their later years), but to make the positives and then the actual production molds themselves you need a foundry, which would have incurred too great a cost for the amount of annual work they required. Blast furnaces are quite the investment–too much for this type of business, even for the Toy King. So it’s more than likely that, at some point, someone outside of the company had to be pouring the carbide steel, or brass or bronze needed to produce those molds. I’ve never heard any mention of this type of work being done at any Marx or Tim-Mee location.

    I hope this helps.

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