Plastic Figure Odds Ends, we start off with a reminder on the East Coast Toy Soldier Show. Next Mikhail Glikin of Plastic Platoon is giving a hint of his next project. We will show some more interesting figures.
Plastic Figure Odds Ends Toy Soldier Show
The East Coast Toy Show will be held on November 3, 2019. The show starts from 9 AM to 3 PM. This is a great show with loads of old and new plastic. You can see photos from last year’s show here. Laurie and I will be there. Our home base will be with Gerry Watts’ table. I will be roaming around the show taking pictures and getting items. Hope to see you there.
Plastic Platoon Next Project
Mikhail Glikin of Plastic Platoon post closeup photos like the one above of his next project. He will be doing the Battle of Leningrad. It also is known as the Siege of Leningrad. The Germans with help from the Finns surrounded Leningrad and laid siege which lasted for 872 days. This was one of the most destructive sieges in history with a large loss of life. Mikhail is planning on two sets of Russian soldiers. For now, he is just showing various closeups. As we get more details we will post them.We have gotten some more information Rahway also saw the posting and was able to pass this along which Mikhail wrote And more specifically, the battle on the Nevsky Pyatachok in 1941. In the first sets of the series, we will show the fighters of the 115th Infantry Division of the Red Army and the Marines of the 4th brigade of the KBF. Photo master Models – coming soon!
Collection Time
Here is a Michel Indian maiden holding a baby. The Michel line was Starlux cheap line and was imported to the United States in the ’50s. We will be showing in the near future photos of other Indian maidens made by various companies from our very good friend Detlef.
I like the Michel line still is a cheap way to get nice poses other than Starlux deluxe painted and better detail figures in my like.
In my opinion.
PP are as always astonishing mini statue figurines. Not quite toy soldiers. Hard to acquire figures for most. They are super well done and the artist spends a lot of time in research. Still, some had come out not perfect. But they are way too limited for most collectors. I myself started collecting Publius and some of this PP brand. But stopped as not point spending so much for so few. I’m happy for those who can and want.
I have first introduced them here with the first interview with the owner. Yet I stop soon after.
I wish the best luck to them but they are off my collection now.
If I won lottery, I could buy them, I would play with them. If not, I can buy much more with their price.
It is my personal understanding that some Russians makers had found the way to sale very expensive figures. I disagree with this trend now.
My thoughts
I agree with Erwin. The new Publius, Basevich and Plastic Platoon figures are indeed beautiful, but I just can’t justify the price. There are still many less expensive brands out there, and while they may not be as detailed and well-posed, they look much better to my pocketbook.
And in a sour-grapes way of thinking, I like to set up big battles, and if I had some of those expensive figures, they would just make all my other figures look bad by comparison, so they would probably end up sitting on a shelf instead of being used with the cheaper sets.
Time for my 2 cents on this. The new stuff coming out is, by and large, very well done, detailed and often covering areas previously untouched. I personally do not collect them. Part of this is price, part is the scale which precludes them from going with anything other than another new maker IF this topic had been done by another maker and IF they are in scale with each other, and then there’s the poses. The creators of these ‘adult collectible figures’ (not toy soldiers to me) go out of their way to find poses that are hardly likely and make them suitable for only very unusual vignettes, causing them to stand out in a less than good way when you are using / playing with them. I can deal with less detail in my large plastic units with perhaps the expensive guys being the character figures, but the scale won’t permit that. The hyper detail has some issues, too. Any one little thing that’s not correct will stand out much more than on a moderately detailed figure. Off hand here, the Soviet Naval Infantry figure here carrying the Dp-28 has a load of belted ammo strung all over him. His weapon takes a pan magazine. The only weapon that would have taken belted 7.62mm ammo at that time would have been the PM-1910. He’s not the assistant gunner for the PM, he’s got the squad level LMG. He’s got another job description. So, you can say I’m over the top with noticing stuff like that, but the sculpture has over the top detail. You’re SUPPOSED to notice the details. We all collect differently and do different things with our collections. I’m not saying anybody is wrong for doing it their way. I’m just jumping in and yacking a bit. My Pegasus Soviet Naval Infantry , along with a few conversions, make up my Naval Infantry. The detail is more than adequate and the poses are all pretty plausible. They are in scale to fight next to my Airfix Soviets and take on my Marx Germans.
Greg I agree with most if not all you mention.As usual from you very simple and fair view with good points ,thoughts and observation.
I like mention that is so true about sailor with machine gun belt in body while holding a M28 that did not use it if standart crew .
However i think this is a typical myths been expanded in making or portraying the Soviet WW2 era and pre era in films,photos ,war documentary and even other toy figures.The iconic image come from those images.
You may see plenty soviet sailor if look x it carrying the ammo belt bands even without any weapons in or with just rifles.
In the other hand I been informed in past it was a common practice to regular sailor no MG crews carry extra ammo among then to support the HMG fire personnel AA in action on board boats/ships .They often hang then inside ships and when in battle action several men carry it as they needed to move and take to the crew firing it .This way the reason of then with rifles using the belt ammo hanging .
In the figure in particular it happen to show pose with m28 with it and of course as you say it make not sense and not accurate ,making look very odd .Still another pose with rifle is depicted with the belts as well.
Yet it may be acceptable by point view above explained and observed from war era documentary .
You may see some samples here in this video if open.In it show plenty sailors in action with rifles and other semi-auto and full automatic weapon with the heavy MG ammo belts crossed or not on it .
minutes images approx are
4.20 to 4.23 ,also 4.50,5.20 to 5.22 ,6.15,6.23, 6.27,6.46,7.27 and 8.02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SznmXM8Js18
About extreme detail i agree also as we or anybody will look x minor detail errors such the AA/marines depiction batches in Vietnam era soldiers preview discuss here And yes these minifigures poses are if to represent very unique scenes not suitable x any generic play around at all unless making alike scene.
To add more most poses in this set appear to be in avery hand to hand or close combat action depiction making then poor to be use in other scenes.
So i agree we can get plenty figures around to get the sailors .The Pegasus set is very well done detail in my opinion better than airfix and many other previews casting ,wish they had continue as well Waterloo and Italeri .Hope other maker will in future .
best
One of the things I love about this forum is the wonderful information I learn for periods I was never interested in before.
As I totally agree regarding the expense of the PP figures, out of reach of a pensioner, I do love the sculpting.
The detail is amazing as the close up photo shots show.
Even a tiny anchor on the belt buckle!
But both Greg and Erwin are correct as, at their price, they should be 100% correct.
There is plenty of footage available as Erwin has demonstrated.
Just my old two cents worth.
Thanks
Alan
I don’t want to detract from the accomplishments they truly are in any way, but the guys who will have that belted ammo on them will be near that weapon system. a lot of films taken were probably near the Bn or higher HQ. The heavy MGs were in a heavy weapons company allotted one company per battalion with (theoretical full strength) nine PM1910s. If you were nowhere near that gun, you wouldn’t have the ammo belts. It may have been the Naval Infantry’s way of making up for the very sparse allotment of ammo pouches given to the standard infantryman. The belts were a bit of specialized equipment for one weapons system though, so I find it hard to believe that ammo pouches were less plentiful than ammo belts for the HMG. I just don’t know. Sometimes a manufacturer’s research is just not quite deep enough to get it right. A good example was waterloo 1815’s Italian Paratroopers (Div. Folgore). They were to depict their deployment in El Alamein and had several poses shirtless. Fighting in that unrelenting sun bare skinned is just not likely. Done it, you’ll be burned up or dehydrated in no time. The sculptor saw the propaganda footage of the men training up for deployment. It depicted them training bare chested in some of the segments, I believe to show off their general superb fitness that a paratrooper must have. It was great that they sought to do that much research, but it was incomplete and it took them in a bad direction. I love those figures and have a company of them along with their accompanying sets where I’ve provided a towed ATG platoon and a HMG platoon. Never the less, I can’t help but cringe a bit when I see the shirtless guys. I see men that’ll be at sick call for sun burn or sun poisoning not present for a major engagement or not on guard, making the load heavier for every other ‘Joe’ (on in this case Jusepe).
Same when depicting the poses with Type 100 submachine gun in japanese poses by several makers .Only less 8500 made and more half kept in japan ,others half partially lost at sunk ships ,so that let to barrely a fraction of then in a army of 3 million abroad .
The many japanese poses with swords(Gunto,machete or else) with even a set with more one pose with it such Lido,Oliver.It is way too repeated and over made but because Japanese -samurai is a iconic myth perception it is made .
Same depicting many soviet poses soldiers in many sets with an MP40 or way too many poses with MP40 in germans when was not as abundant as hollywood play in films at all with barrely 1 million versus over 6 millions PPSH 41 from russians and other russian variants .the overuse of MP40 It is a propaganda depiction transfer by generation .
But as most collectors won’t care and they looks cool new different ,they keep making then with it.So i guess is a choice or artist to do it to bring attention as well .
best
I like the Michel line still is a cheap way to get nice poses other than Starlux deluxe painted and better detail figures in my like.
In my opinion.
PP are as always astonishing mini statue figurines. Not quite toy soldiers. Hard to acquire figures for most. They are super well done and the artist spends a lot of time in research. Still, some had come out not perfect. But they are way too limited for most collectors. I myself started collecting Publius and some of this PP brand. But stopped as not point spending so much for so few. I’m happy for those who can and want.
I have first introduced them here with the first interview with the owner. Yet I stop soon after.
I wish the best luck to them but they are off my collection now.
If I won lottery, I could buy them, I would play with them. If not, I can buy much more with their price.
It is my personal understanding that some Russians makers had found the way to sale very expensive figures. I disagree with this trend now.
My thoughts
best
I agree with Erwin. The new Publius, Basevich and Plastic Platoon figures are indeed beautiful, but I just can’t justify the price. There are still many less expensive brands out there, and while they may not be as detailed and well-posed, they look much better to my pocketbook.
And in a sour-grapes way of thinking, I like to set up big battles, and if I had some of those expensive figures, they would just make all my other figures look bad by comparison, so they would probably end up sitting on a shelf instead of being used with the cheaper sets.
Time for my 2 cents on this. The new stuff coming out is, by and large, very well done, detailed and often covering areas previously untouched. I personally do not collect them. Part of this is price, part is the scale which precludes them from going with anything other than another new maker IF this topic had been done by another maker and IF they are in scale with each other, and then there’s the poses. The creators of these ‘adult collectible figures’ (not toy soldiers to me) go out of their way to find poses that are hardly likely and make them suitable for only very unusual vignettes, causing them to stand out in a less than good way when you are using / playing with them. I can deal with less detail in my large plastic units with perhaps the expensive guys being the character figures, but the scale won’t permit that. The hyper detail has some issues, too. Any one little thing that’s not correct will stand out much more than on a moderately detailed figure. Off hand here, the Soviet Naval Infantry figure here carrying the Dp-28 has a load of belted ammo strung all over him. His weapon takes a pan magazine. The only weapon that would have taken belted 7.62mm ammo at that time would have been the PM-1910. He’s not the assistant gunner for the PM, he’s got the squad level LMG. He’s got another job description. So, you can say I’m over the top with noticing stuff like that, but the sculpture has over the top detail. You’re SUPPOSED to notice the details. We all collect differently and do different things with our collections. I’m not saying anybody is wrong for doing it their way. I’m just jumping in and yacking a bit. My Pegasus Soviet Naval Infantry , along with a few conversions, make up my Naval Infantry. The detail is more than adequate and the poses are all pretty plausible. They are in scale to fight next to my Airfix Soviets and take on my Marx Germans.
Greg I agree with most if not all you mention.As usual from you very simple and fair view with good points ,thoughts and observation.
I like mention that is so true about sailor with machine gun belt in body while holding a M28 that did not use it if standart crew .
However i think this is a typical myths been expanded in making or portraying the Soviet WW2 era and pre era in films,photos ,war documentary and even other toy figures.The iconic image come from those images.
You may see plenty soviet sailor if look x it carrying the ammo belt bands even without any weapons in or with just rifles.
In the other hand I been informed in past it was a common practice to regular sailor no MG crews carry extra ammo among then to support the HMG fire personnel AA in action on board boats/ships .They often hang then inside ships and when in battle action several men carry it as they needed to move and take to the crew firing it .This way the reason of then with rifles using the belt ammo hanging .
In the figure in particular it happen to show pose with m28 with it and of course as you say it make not sense and not accurate ,making look very odd .Still another pose with rifle is depicted with the belts as well.
Yet it may be acceptable by point view above explained and observed from war era documentary .
You may see some samples here in this video if open.In it show plenty sailors in action with rifles and other semi-auto and full automatic weapon with the heavy MG ammo belts crossed or not on it .
minutes images approx are
4.20 to 4.23 ,also 4.50,5.20 to 5.22 ,6.15,6.23, 6.27,6.46,7.27 and 8.02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SznmXM8Js18
About extreme detail i agree also as we or anybody will look x minor detail errors such the AA/marines depiction batches in Vietnam era soldiers preview discuss here And yes these minifigures poses are if to represent very unique scenes not suitable x any generic play around at all unless making alike scene.
To add more most poses in this set appear to be in avery hand to hand or close combat action depiction making then poor to be use in other scenes.
So i agree we can get plenty figures around to get the sailors .The Pegasus set is very well done detail in my opinion better than airfix and many other previews casting ,wish they had continue as well Waterloo and Italeri .Hope other maker will in future .
best
One of the things I love about this forum is the wonderful information I learn for periods I was never interested in before.
As I totally agree regarding the expense of the PP figures, out of reach of a pensioner, I do love the sculpting.
The detail is amazing as the close up photo shots show.
Even a tiny anchor on the belt buckle!
But both Greg and Erwin are correct as, at their price, they should be 100% correct.
There is plenty of footage available as Erwin has demonstrated.
Just my old two cents worth.
Thanks
Alan
I don’t want to detract from the accomplishments they truly are in any way, but the guys who will have that belted ammo on them will be near that weapon system. a lot of films taken were probably near the Bn or higher HQ. The heavy MGs were in a heavy weapons company allotted one company per battalion with (theoretical full strength) nine PM1910s. If you were nowhere near that gun, you wouldn’t have the ammo belts. It may have been the Naval Infantry’s way of making up for the very sparse allotment of ammo pouches given to the standard infantryman. The belts were a bit of specialized equipment for one weapons system though, so I find it hard to believe that ammo pouches were less plentiful than ammo belts for the HMG. I just don’t know. Sometimes a manufacturer’s research is just not quite deep enough to get it right. A good example was waterloo 1815’s Italian Paratroopers (Div. Folgore). They were to depict their deployment in El Alamein and had several poses shirtless. Fighting in that unrelenting sun bare skinned is just not likely. Done it, you’ll be burned up or dehydrated in no time. The sculptor saw the propaganda footage of the men training up for deployment. It depicted them training bare chested in some of the segments, I believe to show off their general superb fitness that a paratrooper must have. It was great that they sought to do that much research, but it was incomplete and it took them in a bad direction. I love those figures and have a company of them along with their accompanying sets where I’ve provided a towed ATG platoon and a HMG platoon. Never the less, I can’t help but cringe a bit when I see the shirtless guys. I see men that’ll be at sick call for sun burn or sun poisoning not present for a major engagement or not on guard, making the load heavier for every other ‘Joe’ (on in this case Jusepe).
Same when depicting the poses with Type 100 submachine gun in japanese poses by several makers .Only less 8500 made and more half kept in japan ,others half partially lost at sunk ships ,so that let to barrely a fraction of then in a army of 3 million abroad .
The many japanese poses with swords(Gunto,machete or else) with even a set with more one pose with it such Lido,Oliver.It is way too repeated and over made but because Japanese -samurai is a iconic myth perception it is made .
Same depicting many soviet poses soldiers in many sets with an MP40 or way too many poses with MP40 in germans when was not as abundant as hollywood play in films at all with barrely 1 million versus over 6 millions PPSH 41 from russians and other russian variants .the overuse of MP40 It is a propaganda depiction transfer by generation .
But as most collectors won’t care and they looks cool new different ,they keep making then with it.So i guess is a choice or artist to do it to bring attention as well .
best